X25m 80GB READ is slow

[idata]

Hi,

I´ve a problem with my new SSD - the drive is up to date with the new 02HD Firmware, but my Read is too slow. Some hints for me.

Here is my system http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01635688&cc=us&lc=en&dlc=en

thanks in advance

AS SSD Benchmark 1.4.3645.3568

------------------------------Name: INTEL SS DSA2M080G2GC SATA Disk DeviceFirmware: 2CV1Controller: amdsataOffset: 1024 K - OKGröße: 74,53 GBDatum: 28.01.2010 21:08:57------------------------------Sequentiell:------------------------------Lesen: 154,30 MB/sSchreiben: 78,52 MB/s------------------------------4K:------------------------------Lesen: 6,80 MB/sSchreiben: 8,21 MB/s------------------------------4K-64Threads:------------------------------Lesen: 78,31 MB/sSchreiben: 48,47 MB/s------------------------------Zugriffszeiten:------------------------------Lesen: 0,289 msSchreiben: 0,443 ms------------------------------Score:------------------------------Lesen: 101Schreiben: 65Gesamt: 215------------------------------

[idata]

Yes, I have heard that Intel's support with product issues is not the greatest. Nothing worse than receiving form letter replies that serve no purpose other than letting the sender say they replied. I was just curious if you went that route since you did not mention it. Yet another blot on the G1 saga...

I still just can't understand how SSD manufactures seem to have had no idea that the SSD's controllers would not be able to keep the performance where it should be without the TRIM command. That seems to be the major problem with G1 drives, no TRIM support, and as we know now, TRIM is essential.

There is one forum member that apparently likes his G1 drives and states they work fine for him. How he manages that given what we know, I don't understand. Don't get me wrong, he is the exception, whereas your experience is the rule.

Anyway, Happy New Year!!!

[mmokk]

parsec wrote:

There is one forum member that apparently likes his G1 drives and states they work fine for him. How he manages that given what we know, I don't understand.

i don't do anything special. the drives are used in desktop systems and the systems are used as desktops would be used. the machines do have conventional hard drives to store large media files. the ssd's are not hammered with benchmarks (in fact, benchmarks are run very very rarely). the drives are installed in machines of various vintages (the oldest one is a p4/ich5) and with various operating systems. no 'ssd tweaks' were used.

what you should be wondering is not 'how to get these drives to work like they're suppoed to', but 'how exactly are the drives with abysmally low performance being used? what was done to them that caused them to degrade to this state?'.

Don't get me wrong, he is the exception, whereas your experience is the rule.

you'll find that most posts in technical support forums are made by people who are looking for technical support. i.e., they're having problems and are looking for a solution. so to draw conclusions about a product's overall reliability/performance based on these forum posts is inaccurate and misleading.

do you really believe that the majority of x25-m g1's that were sold are behaving this badly? if so, don't you think the number of posters complaining about it here would number in the hundreds or thousands, not two or three?

pc perspective was instrumental in getting intel to create the latest firmware for the g1, at least partly because they were able to provide intel with a way to reproduce the problem on the g1's.

here is their report on the updated firmware:

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=691 http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=691

and please, just say no to fud.

[idata]

... and there he is now!! I was hoping (trying to get you to) you would reply to this thread, thank goodness!!

Don't forget it's not really me complaining about the G1's, I don't even own one! There is an old saying in journalism that goes something like this, for every person that writes a letter to the editor to complain about something, there are a thousand out there that have not done so.

It also seems to me that darkgreen is not the type to complain about something being broken while sitting on his hands. Which is why I've given credence to his story. Given my lack of experience with them, and the details of his thread, I am unable to provide him counsel regarding his problems.

But, given that the only real support for SSDs in OSs, besides disabling the functions meant to assist HDDs that do not help SSDs, is TRIM, and that G1's do not support TRIM, which is a huge help to the SSD's GC function, fud is certainly understandable (sometimes I enjoy speaking in acronyms.)

Your points regarding usage are good of course, although it might be argued that an HDD would not react in the same manner given the same usage history.

So my scoring so far: G1's are fine: 1. G1's are not fine: 1 + the general references to them on various web sites.

I would be more than happy to replace fud with coc (pronounced like "coke", Courage, Optimism, and Clarity.)

[idata]

Storage is the only thing in your pc that is in a dynamic state. It is constantly changing, so it's un-realistc to expect performance to be consistent. With a HDD performance gets slower as it fragments and you install more things on it. Even if you defrag and uninstall programs it's hard to get performance back to new without a fresh installation. A defrag can also take ages and you need to leave the pc idling. The above does not effect SSD and with TRIM performance can be kept relativly consistent. Without TRIM you can image and do a system restore in less time it takes to defrag a HDD and you don't have to reinstall everything to get performance back as you would with HDD. I used to own G1 drives and I did not see a severe slow down, but it can happen. I suspect you have to abuse the G1 in some way to get it in a really bad and unrecoverable state, but regardless I still think it was a poor move by Intel to not provide TRIM support. For that reason alone they get the thumbs down from me on that issue.

[idata]

True redux, but as I've just realized, at the time that G1's were introduced, no OS supported TRIM. TRIM was part of Window 7, that was the first OS to support it. Certainly later the G1's ought to have been updated to use TRIM, but alas, that has not happened. Why that is remains a mystery.