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Extremely slow perfomance on intel ssd 2 generation 2 160gb.............

idata — Fri, 22 Oct 2010 21:27:57 GMT

I dont know where is the problem i have mac book pro 15" custom configuration intel core 2 duo t9900 ,4gb ddr 3 ,nvidia 9400+9600, intel 160gb generation 2 ssd i think my trim is on and i have extremely slow perfomance i also ran intel ssd toolbox i use mac os x 10.6.4 and windows 7 64bit pro.

my scores from as ssd are

please help me improve my ssd performance without formating my ssd my ssd is not so old and i also formated it when i get it in the summer.

Re: Extremely slow perfomance on intel ssd 2 generation 2 160gb.............

idata — Fri, 22 Oct 2010 21:59:33 GMT

It looks like the SATA interface is capped at SATA 1.5 speeds. Maybe check with Mac to see what the SATA specs are.

Re: Extremely slow perfomance on intel ssd 2 generation 2 160gb.............

idata — Fri, 22 Oct 2010 22:08:16 GMT

Any idea how to check i think mac book pro mid 2009 use sata 2 ?

Re: Extremely slow perfomance on intel ssd 2 generation 2 160gb.............

idata — Fri, 22 Oct 2010 22:23:31 GMT

Even if it came as a SATA 2 spec it might still be gimped to 1.5. The only way to find out is to dig into documentation or call Apple customer support.

The other thing is your AS Benchmark is showing a pciide driver. I don't know what controller that relates to but all benchmarks I've seen with it show poor results.

Re: Extremely slow perfomance on intel ssd 2 generation 2 160gb.............

idata — Fri, 22 Oct 2010 22:41:05 GMT

now i made few tweaks but still very slow performance apple dont deal with windows os only mac os x so its useless to call their support ;[

any idea how to change pciide driver ???

Re: Extremely slow perfomance on intel ssd 2 generation 2 160gb.............

idata — Sun, 24 Oct 2010 02:16:02 GMT

Since you have a MAC, you'll need to check out the MAC forums, if Apple will not help you with Windows issues. I don't really see why your issue is related to Windows, you are using an SSD that has nothing to do with Microsoft, or is your Intel SSD not Apple approved? So a program run in Windows, whose results are indicating you could be getting better performance with your hardware, is outside of their concern. Interesting...

Given your MAC has an Intel CPU, it likely has an appropriate Intel chipset, Northbridge and Southbridge, or MCH and ICH. It's possible it has something else, but unlikely IMO. You'll need to know at least what the Southbridge/ICH is in order to get the correct driver, not to mention the installation. Again, your best bet is to check out the MAC forums, unless a knowledgable MAC user reads this here, which may take a long time.

Re: Extremely slow perfomance on intel ssd 2 generation 2 160gb.............

idata — Sun, 24 Oct 2010 13:36:17 GMT

His As SSD Benchmark is showing a picide driver, so I don't think it could an Intel chipset. A lot of laptops are gimped deliberately to save power or share resources.

Here is a guide to overcome some of those problems, but do so at your own risk.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/hardware-components-aftermarket-upgrades/517917-how-improve-ssd-performance-intel-series-4-5-965-chipsets-jjb-tweak.html# post6700345 http://forum.notebookreview.com/hardware-components-aftermarket-upgrades/517917-how-improve-ssd-performance-intel-series-4-5-965-chipsets-jjb-tweak.html# post6700345

Re: Extremely slow perfomance on intel ssd 2 generation 2 160gb.............

idata — Sun, 24 Oct 2010 13:38:26 GMT

Make sure you have Write-caching enabled. Control panel > Device Manger> Select Disk> Right click properties> Policies

http://communities.intel.com/thread/16866?tstart=0 http://communities.intel.com/thread/16866?tstart=0

Re: Extremely slow perfomance on intel ssd 2 generation 2 160gb.............

idata — Sun, 24 Oct 2010 16:03:34 GMT

Oops, my mistake, I was thinking this was not a laptop, since it seemed to me he mentioned "NVIDIA 9400 + 9600" which I was thinking were video cards. Are those the chipset components? I'm not a laptop or MAC person, I should research both a little bit... Thanks.

Re: Extremely slow perfomance on intel ssd 2 generation 2 160gb.............

idata — Sun, 24 Oct 2010 16:50:19 GMT

Hi nvidia 9400+nvidia 9600 are video cards for my laptop

first have 256mb memory second 512mb memory...... they are really video cards!

Re: Extremely slow perfomance on intel ssd 2 generation 2 160gb.............

idata — Sun, 24 Oct 2010 19:28:15 GMT

Do you have AHCI enabled??

Re: Extremely slow perfomance on intel ssd 2 generation 2 160gb.............

idata — Sun, 24 Oct 2010 19:39:19 GMT

From what I've read certain MAC OS do not support AHCI , So you will not get a TRIM function.

Re: Extremely slow perfomance on intel ssd 2 generation 2 160gb.............

idata — Sun, 24 Oct 2010 20:28:37 GMT

in my case we dont speak about mac os x

we speak about windows 7 pro x64 bit, i know that mac os x dont support trim but windows 7 fully support it so i dont understand why everyone points me to mac os x and apple forums since my issue is with windows 7 .......

Re: Extremely slow perfomance on intel ssd 2 generation 2 160gb.............

idata — Mon, 25 Oct 2010 04:42:32 GMT

Hi mitnick, I suggested you check the MAC forums because the main thing you need to know is what chipset (the chips that support your CPU, called the Northbridge and Southbridge or MCH and ICH respectively) you have, and it is far more likely that can be learned in a MAC forum.

It is not Windows that is determining whether or not you can use an Intel driver (although I would think the Windows msachi driver would work) but the specific hardware you have, in this case the motherboard's chipset. I am not a MAC user, so I am not familiar with their hardware, including chipsets, as are most of the people on this forum.

Once you identify the chipset you have, and depending upon what it is, specific drivers may be recommended.

Since you use Windows 7, I believe you could use a free, safe program called HWiNFO, which you can download at:

http://www.hwinfo.com/ http://www.hwinfo.com/

You could download and run this program, and on the System Summary window on the right side you will see (I hope) a listing for your mother board and just below that your Chipset. If you do this you can post on this forum what chipset you have, and then if an appropriate Intel driver exists for it, we can tell you what that is.

It is also much more likely that other MAC users will know what drivers work best with their PCs, regardless of the OS. Most Windows PC users are not familiar with MACs, I certainly am not.

Re: Extremely slow perfomance on intel ssd 2 generation 2 160gb.............

idata — Mon, 25 Oct 2010 16:54:35 GMT

here is pic from your program and after that i made full report with everest i hope some will helps this time

--------[ EVEREST Ultimate Edition ]------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Version EVEREST v5.50.2100

Benchmark Module 2.5.292.0

Homepage http://www.lavalys.com/ http://www.lavalys.com/

Report Type Quick Report

Computer PC

Generator p

Operating System Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 6.1.7600 (Win7 RTM)

Date 2010-10-25

Time 19:43

--------[ Summary ]-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Computer:

Computer Type ACPI x64-based PC (Mobile)

Operating System Microsoft Windows 7 Professional

OS Service Pack -

Internet Explorer 8.0.7600.16385

DirectX DirectX 11.0

Computer Name PC

User Name

Logon Domain -PC

Date / Time 2010-10-25 / 19:43

Motherboard:

CPU Type Mobile DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo T9900, 3051 MHz (11.5 x 265)

Motherboard Name Apple MacBook Pro (Mac-F22587C8)

Motherboard Chipset nVIDIA MCP79

System Memory 3814 MB (DDR3-1066 DDR3 SDRAM)

DIMM1: Hynix HMT125S6BFR8C-G7 2 GB DDR3-1066 DDR3 SDRAM (7-7-7-20 @ 533 MHz) (6-6-6-18 @ 457 MHz)

DIMM2: Hynix HMT125S6BFR8C-G7 2 GB DDR3-1066 DDR3 SDRAM (7-7-7-20 @ 533 MHz) (6-6-6-18 @ 457 MHz)

BIOS Type Insyde (07/29/05)

Display:

Video Adapter NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT (512 MB)

3D Accelerator nVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT

Monitor Generic PnP Monitor [NoDB]

Multimedia:

Audio Adapter nVIDIA MCP79/7A - High Definition Audio Controller

Storage:

IDE Controller Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller

Disk Drive APPLE SD Card Reader USB Device

Disk Drive INTEL SSDSA2M160G2GC ATA Device (149 GB, IDE)

Optical Drive MATSHITA DVD-R UJ-868 ATA Device

SMART Hard Disks Status OK

Partitions:

C: (NTFS) 49897 MB (20139 MB free)

😧 (HFS) 100.0 GB (27.2 GB free)

Total Size 148.7 GB (46.9 GB free)

Input:

Keyboard HID Keyboard Device

Mouse HID-compliant mouse

Network:

Primary IP Address 192.168.1.100

Primary MAC Address 00-26-08-E0-A9-D3

Network Adapter Broadcom 802.11n Network Adapter (192.168.1.100)

Peripherals:

Printer Fax

Printer Microsoft XPS Document Writer

FireWire Controller Agere IEEE1394 FireWire Controller

USB1 Controller nVIDIA MCP79/7A - OHCI USB 1.1 Controller

USB2 Controller nVIDIA MCP79/7A - EHCI USB 2.0 Controller

USB Device Apple Built-in iSight

USB Device Apple IR Receiver

USB Device Apple Keyboard

USB Device Apple Multitouch Mouse

USB Device Apple Multitouch

USB Device Broadcom Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR USB Device

USB Device Built-in iSight

USB Device Generic USB Hub

USB Device USB Composite Device

USB Device USB Mass Storage Device

Battery Microsoft AC Adapter

Battery Microsoft ACPI-Compliant Control Method Battery

Battery Microsoft Composite Battery

DMI:

DMI BIOS Vendor Apple Inc.

DMI BIOS Version MBP53.88Z.00AC.B03.0906151647

DMI System Manufacturer Apple Inc.

DMI System Product MacBookPro5,3

DMI System Version 1.0

DMI System Serial Number W892920Z64C

DMI System UUID 56F03BFC-B24B6C41-AB173A23-A64F790E

DMI Motherboard Manufacturer Apple Inc.

DMI Motherboard Product Mac-F22587C8

DMI Motherboard Version

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Re: Extremely slow perfomance on intel ssd 2 generation 2 160gb.............

idata — Mon, 25 Oct 2010 19:28:47 GMT

Well now that we've seen your PC naked... and the answer is: Chipset: NVIDIA MCP79/7A

I am not familiar with this chipset at all. Frankly, I've never owned any equipment with anything but Intel chipsets.

So it's research time, unless someone out there knows whether or not Intel drivers will work with this chipset.

Question: Basically I would ask, will the RST/iaStor driver work with this chipset to improve the performance of mitnick's SSD?

I wonder if when attempting to install that driver, the Intel installation program would detect a non-compatible chipset and stop the installation. I've seen behavior like that in the past.

Sorry, I don't know whether or not you can use the Intel driver with your chipset. Let me think about your options and hopefully someone else knows more about this than I do.

Otherwise, that is a nice laptop. I noticed the BIOS is from 2005, I guess BIOS updates are not common in the Apple orchard??

Seems to be a higher performance gaming laptop. So, the chipset used was chosen to work well with NVIDIA video cards.

As I have said before, it is more likely that people that own MACs will know what works best with them rather than non-MAC people like myself. Or are you finding that your use of Windows 7 is not accepted by the MAC community? Just wondering...

So does anyone out there have an answer to the question?

Re: Extremely slow perfomance on intel ssd 2 generation 2 160gb.............

idata — Mon, 25 Oct 2010 19:47:51 GMT

so i am not familiar with ssd and other things as well.This is my first ssd so i dont have any xp on it.On

APPLE computers we dont have bios

i installed windows using boot camp so we dont use and we dont have any bioses on mac books,imacs and etc.

normally we use only mac os x but i need some windows things for my college i know about virtual machines vm ware etc but they consume lots of energy and i use batteries so its not an option for me.......

yes normally mac guys use only MAC OS X 10.5 or 10.6 soon lion no one use windows exept few exeptions............. i really hope some will help.

Re: Extremely slow perfomance on intel ssd 2 generation 2 160gb.............

idata — Mon, 25 Oct 2010 21:33:27 GMT

Is this applicable to you?

http://support.apple.com/kb/DL853 http://support.apple.com/kb/DL853

"MacBook Pro EFI Firmware Update 1.7 addresses an issue using drives based on the SATA 3Gbps specification with the MacBook Pro introduced in June 2009. This update allows drives to use transfer rates greater than 1.5Gbps, however Apple has not qualified or offered these drives for Mac portable computers, and their use remains unsupported. All previous and current Apple portables with a SATA drive interface include a SATA 1.5Gbps hard drive".

Re: Extremely slow perfomance on intel ssd 2 generation 2 160gb.............

idata — Mon, 25 Oct 2010 21:59:49 GMT

Hi i am with 10.6.4 when i try to install this update i get u dont need this update... So i cant install it may be i have it i am not sure i install only os and all updates from apple when my mac check for them my model is mis 2009 15" mac book pro

Re: Extremely slow perfomance on intel ssd 2 generation 2 160gb.............

idata — Tue, 26 Oct 2010 06:04:18 GMT

What am I thinking, Macs use EFI, never mind... I see that some Intel mother boards have some kind of support for EFI (UEFI), the one I own has a setting in the BIOS (Ha!) to enable it, I need to study that and see what that is all about.

@redux: Very interesting info on the SATA I and SATA II thing on the MacBook Pro's, that sums up the reason why mitnick is here seeking help. OMGosh, does Apple ever keep their equipment under wraps, and the value of that could be argued either way... or is that just the way they force Mac owners to purchase things only from them? Nice work finding that, you were correct in your very first reply to mitnick.

@mitnick: It is important that you understand (if you do not, but I have a feeling you basically do understand) what the information that redux posted means to MacBook owners.

According to the statement describing an update from Apple (posted by redux), the MacBook is designed to run at SATA I speeds, 1.5Gb/s. That explains your low benchmark scores with the Intel SSD.

Apple seemed to offer an EFI update to allow SATA II speeds, 3.0Gb/s. You said it would not let you install it, you "didn't need it". Apple further states that SATA II speed drives are not qualified, offered or supported on Mac portable PCs. So to use a SATA II HDD or SSD in your MacBook, you are on your own.

I checked on NVIDIA's web site, and searched on your chipset name, MCP79/7A. I found very little about it. One thing I did learn is that NVIDIA does not publish a data sheet for this chipset. Intel publishes multiple, comprehensive data sheets on their chipsets.

The only suggestions I have for you are these:

1. Go to NVIDIA's web site, go to the motherboard section and look through each model until you find one (hopefully) that uses your chipset. Once found, see what drivers they have for SATA II use, or AHCI. Those drivers might work for you.

2. On Intel's web site, search for the RST driver. It is also used for RAID, but you do not need to have a RAID setup to use the driver. It is the best AHCI driver that Intel provides. If you do install it, it may not work and cause you to have problems, hopefully you can rollback the driver once it is installed. DO THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK!!! The same goes for the NVIDIA drivers!!

The more I think about this, the more I believe you cannot do anything about it. Windows 7 has an AHCI driver (msahci) but if you can't enable AHCI mode in the EFI it won't make a difference.

Then there is the SATA I issue, which is actually FAR more important than any driver or operation mode.

If you are stuck with that then nothing else matters. I did a quick calculation, and your Intel SSD is doing the best it can at SATA I speeds from what the AS SSD benchmark is showing.

I noticed Apple has a 512GB SSD for use with the MacPro for $1399.99, who knows who actually makes it.

Sorry, but I am done with this...