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ISM and RTS question

idata — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:21:13 GMT

OK, got a question that I am having a really hard time finding.

I do get a lot of returns on RTS and TRIM, but nothing on this question.

So for a while I have been really used to IMS (Intel Matrix Storage). Now that RTS has downloads out for what is replacing IMS my question is this.

Do I uninstall IMS Reboot

and

Install RTS = Thats it?

Also the latest version I have is

9.5.7.1002 ..........Anything newer?

I wouldnt keep both since they both do the same thing right?

Specs

Rampage II Extreme (Intel Chipset)

2 Intell SSD's G2 80GB

2 HDD RAID 0

Thanks for all the expert help!

John

Re: ISM and RTS question

DZand — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:57:26 GMT

joconnor3881 schrieb:

Do I uninstall IMS Reboot

and

Install RTS = Thats it?

Also the latest version I have is

9.5.7.1002 ..........Anything newer?

I wouldnt keep both since they both do the same thing right?

Here are my answers:

1. You can install the IRST package without any problems. The IMSM software will be uninstalled automaticly.

2. The latest IRST version is 9.5.7.1002.

3. It is impossibe to run both IRST and IMSM simultaneously, because I are doing the same job (but another way).

Re: ISM and RTS question

idata — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:03:27 GMT

Thanks Fernando!

Just did it the old fashion way I guess:)

Uninstalled IMS

Installed IRST

So last question...if its new by Intel why is it so hard to find the software? Is it not fully released yet?

John

Re: ISM and RTS question

DZand — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:46:10 GMT

joconnor3881 schrieb:

if its new by Intel why is it so hard to find the software? Is it not fully released yet?

Intel hasn't yet published the Rapid Storage Technology drivers and software v9.5.7.1002, but you can get the complete package inclusive the RST software at Station-Drivers.

Re: ISM and RTS question

idata — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:23:56 GMT

Sorry for butting in, but I have an Intel X-25V with bios and OS set as AHCI, and Trim is enabled, so should I install this RST 9.5.7.1002

http://www.station-drivers.com/page/intel%20raid.htm

Re: ISM and RTS question

idata — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:27:04 GMT

Tosh9i.....I noticed a diff:)

Re: ISM and RTS question

idata — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:35:24 GMT

But you have yours set up as RAID which doesn't support Trim. Mine is a single SSD with ACHI, which does support Trim.

And I'm curious as to whether or not this new version supports Trim and if I should install it.

Sorry, all this SSD, TRIM, ACHI, is new to me. Up until a couple days ago, I had no idea what they stood for.

Update: Well, by upgrading the RST driver, I managed to increase the WEI of the hard drive (SSD) from 5.9 to 7.7. Now my WEI score is 7.4.

Re: ISM and RTS question

DZand — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:09:08 GMT

tosh9i schrieb:

And I'm curious as to whether or not this new version supports Trim and if I should install it.

None of the currently available Intel AHCI drivers do natively support the Trim command.

Nevertheless it is a good idea to install them, because

a) they are optimized for being used with Intel SSD's and

b) the use of the Optimizer (=part of Intel's SSD Toolbox) has the same or maybe even a better effect than the automatic Trim command support by the generic MS IDE/AHCI drivers.

Regards

Fernando

Re: ISM and RTS question

idata — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:03:56 GMT

@Fernando...

Since I have seen your name around these boards a lot maybe you can give me an update as well to the current status.

THINGS I UNDERSTAND

TRIM= Automatic on AHCI

TRIM= Manaul if you use RAID using toolbox

TRIM= Doesnt work if you run RAID0, either auto or using toolbox

Since I have my bios set to RAID and have the following setup

2 Intel X25 80GB G2 (newest Firmware) RAID0

2 WDBE RAID0

My performance seems great! Just like some things I should watch out for, and any idea when the new RTS will support RAID.

Last but not least windows reconized my ssd's but still writes to my prefetch folder. Everything else is turned off by windows. Is this because I still have 2 HDD's installed??

Thanks

John

Re: ISM and RTS question

DZand — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:09:30 GMT

@ joconnor3881:

Here ae some details regarding TRIM:

TRIM will only be automaticly supported, if you are running Win7 and using the generic MS IDE/AHCI or future Intel RST AHCI drivers v9.6.x.xxxx.
Manual TRIMming using the Optimizer of Intel's Toolbox is no problem as long as your SSD's are not running in RAID mode.
TRIM is not supported at all, if your SSD's are connected with SATA ports running in RAID mode. If you want to clean the SSD, you have to use a tool like HDDErase (only usable after having broken the RAID).

It is possible, that Win7 is still using the Prefetch option, because your SSD's are within a RAID array. If you don't want it, you can disable the Prefetch option manually.

Regards

Fernando

Re: ISM and RTS question

idata — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:22:55 GMT

Hi Fernando,

Out of interest, where did you see mention of TRIM with (future) 9.6.x RST?

Cheers.

Re: ISM and RTS question

DZand — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:38:48 GMT

Ozz schrieb:

Out of interest, where did you see mention of TRIM with (future) 9.6.x RST?

Look into the first post of this thread: /message/86930# 86930 http://communities.intel.com/message/86930# 86930

Regards

Fernando

Re: ISM and RTS question

idata — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:23:33 GMT

Thanks

Re: ISM and RTS question

idata — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:46:07 GMT

I use that old standard msahci driver and get WEI score of 7.7, a score that has been consistent, never got below that since TRIM firmware installed.

Re: ISM and RTS question

idata — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:50:41 GMT

"b) the use of the Optimizer (=part of Intel's SSD Toolbox) has the same or maybe even a better effect than the automatic Trim command support by the generic MS IDE/AHCI drivers."

Now, Fernando, how is it possible for running TRIM via Optimizer better than automatic TRIM??? If anything, I see TRIM running automatically as the best way to go.

Re: ISM and RTS question

idata — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:11:20 GMT

So is it just better to break my RAID0 and restore with acronis?

Make my 2 SSD's as non raid-disk

Run toolbox each week?

This way I can use Intel drivers and still keep my backup drives (HDD) in RAID0

Re: ISM and RTS question

DZand — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:27:43 GMT

ambizytl schrieb:

"b) the use of the Optimizer (=part of Intel's SSD Toolbox) has the same or maybe even a better effect than the automatic Trim command support by the generic MS IDE/AHCI drivers."

Now, Fernando, how is it possible for running TRIM via Optimizer better than automatic TRIM??? If anything, I see TRIM running automatically as the best way to go.

This is what a German expert had written http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/14174951-post1191.html here about the difference of automatic and manual TRIM (translation done by me):

"My experience with TRIM is, that you will get the best results by doing it manually with Intel's Toolbox.

You will not see the speed difference in usual benchmark tests, but I see the difference, when I use the AS SSD benchmark test."

Regards

Fernando

Re: ISM and RTS question

DZand — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:50:22 GMT

@ joconnor3881:

1. You will only be able to run the Intel Toolbox from within an Operating System.

2. It is not necessary to clean the SSD once a week, unless you have it within a Server.

3. There is an alternative way to clean the SSD from time to time by using the tool HDDErase v3.3. For details you may look http://www.iishacks.com/index.php/2009/06/30/how-to-secure-erase-reset-an-intel-solid-state-drive-ssd/ >here<</a> and http://www.markc.me.uk/MarkC/Blog/Entries/2009/8/13_Erasing_an_SSD.html >here<</a>.

Regards

Fernando

Re: ISM and RTS question

idata — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 22:15:17 GMT

The funny thing about experts is they often disagree. Now I don't claim to be an expert, but I question what you say. For one thing, my AS SSD benchmark result is better than what I saw you post, so I don't know what you mean.

Re: ISM and RTS question

idata — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 22:27:44 GMT

Fernando,

The first picture below is an AS SSD result posted by you about a week ago, and the next picture is my result with AS SSD. Thus, I don't understand your comment of getting better AS SSD results running TRIM manually.

Fernando's result:

ambizytl's result: